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SSJ Vegeta ( Cell Games ) vs Piccolo ( Buu saga )
Topic Started: May 31 2012, 02:14 PM (2,411 Views)
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Ninjajp247
May 31 2012, 06:05 PM
MSSj is called Master super saiyan by toriyama himself.

Its a combined effort of ALL the saiyan power and grade forms, and putting it all into ONE form without having to bulk up and lose speed.

It takes the SSJ form and gives it NO strain as the super saiyan form, makes the user aggressive, and puts a huge strain on the body.

Which might be where gokus heart ailment really came from. He wasnt strong enough to get as strong as he did in so short a time. It took a toll on him.

No strain, no over aggressiveness, and thinking with a clear head is what makes MSSJ so important. he created it so he could hit cell with as MUCH as he could without running out of power so quickly.

Thats the reason why he condensed his USSj forms power into battle power for a better multiplier of his kame blast.

In the anime filler USSJ goku was about as strong as full power cell, and he said so. But he was as big as broly almost, and had no speed. Same as trunks. But trunks at his USSJ was only stronger than Suppressed Cell, and not full power cell VS MSSJ gohan.
Ya that's what I meant just couldn't word it as good as you
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I no longer belive in base saiyans > piccolo. The rectons theroy works just fine to me.
At first, toyirama probaly thought of base vegeta > etc gohan >> piccolo, 18.
Goten and trunks said "we're fine too", yet at the budokai himself they were at a disadvantage against 18 when a BIG mask was their only restriction. 18 is MUCH weaker than piccolo in this point which is quite obivious lol. so goten/trunks > pocus > kaoshin > piccolo > 18 is impossible
At the budokai the route he went into was probaly kaioshin > piccolo > base saiyans because:
Kaioshin thought ssj2 gohan power wasnt impressive for a kaioshin.
when piccolo says kaioshin is strong, if piccolo himself was weaker than the base saiyans, they'd probaly think "but that doesnt make him anything compared to me so I dont give a *****, HERP DERP."
On babidi's ship base saiyans > pocus > kaioshin is pretty darn obivous imo. there isnt a big change since then, but if you notice it would turn out kaioshin(budokai) >>> piccolo(budokai and after) >>> kaioshin(recton after budokai) ~ piccolo(pre budokai recton) ~ babidi, which works just fine since piccolo after budokai implied he could easily bitc* slap babidi to the death.
(if you are still reading) vegeta still stomps.
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May 31 2012, 06:05 PM
In the anime filler USSJ goku was about as strong as full power cell, and he said so. But he was as big as broly almost, and had no speed. Same as trunks. But trunks at his USSJ was only stronger than Suppressed Cell, and not full power cell VS MSSJ gohan.
Can you provide the quote where he says this? I don't remember that. I remember Gohan saying he could beat Cell, and then Goku saying no because of the speed loss. Nobody knew how powerful Cell truly was, including Goku, or he wouldn't have been shocked at Cell's full power.
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May 31 2012, 07:30 PM
Ninjajp247
May 31 2012, 06:05 PM
In the anime filler USSJ goku was about as strong as full power cell, and he said so. But he was as big as broly almost, and had no speed. Same as trunks. But trunks at his USSJ was only stronger than Suppressed Cell, and not full power cell VS MSSJ gohan.
Can you provide the quote where he says this? I don't remember that. I remember Gohan saying he could beat Cell, and then Goku saying no because of the speed loss. Nobody knew how powerful Cell truly was, including Goku, or he wouldn't have been shocked at Cell's full power.
When goku first transformed gohan said he should be about even with cell, and goku said. Even so i cant fight in this form. Its too big.

and its why i said gokus estimated strength doenst compare to cells actual strength which is why i said, he would more than likely just match with gohan as opposed to cell.



Gohan at the time was already stronger than goku, and didnt even realize it. when goku powered up to that form, that stayed in gohans mind, and made him wonder later on why his dad wasnt going at full strength. Then goku claimed he was. But in reality gohan was right. Goku WASNt at full strength. he was reserving that strength for his multiplied kame blast, along with preserving MSSJ.

So yeah, thats what gave me the impression that gohan who is already worlds ahead of Supressed cell is actually impressed with gokus power, when not an hour later in the fight he was wondering why his dad and cell were moving so slow.
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What areya tryin to say?

The topic was abt SSJ Vegeta vs Piccolo.
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